Session Start: Thu Jul 20 21:05:50 2000
*Logging #atriarch to '#atriarch.log'
poq Alright.
poq If you want to ask a question, message me, or DarkSoul.
poq Don't message it to the WF employees or it will not get answered!
poq Let's begin.

DarkSoul Zepath|SB DS, here's my first: The Tyrusin description on IGN says that the Tyrusin will be able to direct lightning and create ice formations and ice shields out of body water. We have all been under the impression that magic will be a very distant concept in Atriarch, does this indicate a change in direction from pure sci-fi to a sci-fi/fantasy hybrid?
WF_Serafina Somehow I knew this was going to be one of the first questions
WF_Satyric It's not magic. It's Science!tm
WF_Satyric Everyone's already accepted telepathy in the game. Molecular psychokenesis is in the same area.
WF_Serafina first, the tyrusin have evolved over a very long time to acquire these sorts of skills
WF_Serafina It is not something that popped in out of the blue.
WF_Serafina It is completely reasonable for a creature to develop such skills.
WF_Serafina For example, the electric eel.
WF_Arc Correction, it's not actually psycokenesis. Just fluid storage, temperature manipulation, and propulsion.
WF_Joss no psychokenetics
WF_Serafina hehe
WF_Serafina These "powers" or skills are limited.. for example, the ice shielding is limited to the amount of water in the characters body
WF_Serafina it would have to replenish after doing such a feat
WF_Serafina It would dehydrate the Tyrusin some and make them a bit weaker.
WF_Serafina These skills are not unlimited.
WF_Serafina Did someone else want to add to that?
WF_Joss let's move on... tons of questions in the hopper
WF_Joss :)

poq Krunk_Splein If the Tyrusin cannot attack something weaker than them, how will they hunt for food?
WF_Serafina Food comes in more forms than just other creatures.
WF_Satyric There's also a difference between honorable, ritual combat and procuring dinner.
WF_Joss also, to hunt for food wouldn't really be considered a martial challenge
WF_Serafina Combat Skills and Hunting Skills are different in ATriarch
WF_Joss it's considered what it is... hunting for food
WF_Satyric Now, some huge nasty critter may give you some prestige for killing it, and also happen to be edible...
WF_Joss An honorbound duel is whole different situation, especially in the Tyrusins eyes
WF_Satyric Thank you, Krunk.

DarkSoul Jahmbo|afk ok, heres a serious one. will people who want to just play the game for giggles be at a disadvantage if they dont roleplay to 'the vision'?
WF_Serafina Jahmbo|afk... I am assuming you are referring to Lum's post about "vision" in games
WF_Joss not at all, the bottom line is it's an entire world, and your life there is yours to make as you wish
WF_Serafina you do not have to play the game the way it was meant to be played. You just have to be prepared for the consequences if you do.
WF_Joss if you want to be a hermit and hide from the world and it's politics, feel free, but you have to take into consideration the risks involved...
WF_Satyric If you choose to live in a society, there'll of course be certain pressures and rewards for doing things the way that society does. But if you're participating that much you're probably past the 'for giggles' stage anyway. :)
WF_Joss just as you would have to consider the risks of joining a military organization
WF_Joss every path will naturally present advantages and disadvantages
WF_Joss thanks, Jahmbo

poq Renkon|SB I was wondering about the Haddron caste. How does one become part of this. Will it be set up as a quest, or will it just grow by being passed on from people to others that they feel fit the category. (invite them)
WF_Serafina actually.. a lot of people have asked this question...
WF_Serafina yes, this will be a form of GM's
WF_Serafina Our goal for Atriarch is for the GM's to be actual roleplayers. In-game Customer Service reps will be separated.
WF_Satyric Unlike GMs in some games, completely in context.
WF_Joss and helpful
WF_Joss :)_
WF_Serafina In the current set of games right now... GMs and Customer Service are synonymous... but not in Atriarch
WF_Serafina We are hoping this will encourage people to roleplay as well.
WF_Serafina thank you for your question renkon.. good one!

DarkSoul Synon|FoA Do each of the Castes have their own leaders? Will a player be able to take their position?
WF_Serafina The Castes are a part of the Tyrusin Major Faction led by Xol.
WF_Joss The tyrusin have a military heirarchy sp? and the castes all fall within that grand picture
WF_Serafina The Castes are both hierarchical (sp??hehe) and cultural in nature
WF_Satyric Tyrusin politics tend to be very tradition-based and ritualistic.
WF_Serafina Yes, they have leaders and yes, they can be replaced.
WF_Satyric While still being simple and elegant. :)
WF_Arc Since a player could potentially take over the Atriarchy then it follows that it is possible for any leaders below.
WF_Serafina however, replacing a leader below will be much more difficult if you are not the ultimate leader... e.g., Xol
WF_Serafina thanks Synon

poq EolirinXianve if a tyrusin can never fight a weaker opponent how are there any Tyrusin Vs Tyrusin Duels as one member will almost certainly be at least slightly better than the other.
WF_Arc The point of not fighting someone stronger is that it is obvious.
WF_Arc For example, they have weapons and you don't.
WF_Arc Excuse me, vice versa.
WF_Arc If you have a weapon and they don't, the honorable thing to do is to give them a weapon or drop yours.
WF_Joss it could also come down to the rank of the tyrusins... in the case of a training ritual
WF_Arc If there are two of them and three of you, one of you sits on the bench.
WF_Satyric And not all Tyrusin conflicts are settled by combat. Your position and experience/reputation carries a certain amount of weight. Otherwise they'd never have time to get anything done besides fend off tiny challengers.
WF_Serafina As Arc points out... it is not a matter of Stat Science.
WF_Serafina very basic stuff
WF_Arc If they are OBVIOUSLY much smaller and weaker. You can either select someone weaker to fight them or give yourself a disadvantage like tying one arm behind your back.
WF_Arc Or give them a weapon and armor and you drop yours.
WF_Arc Thanks Eolirin.

poq Synon|FoA|herebutnotreally What is behind the wind tunnels and how do they work?
WF_Joss arc?
WF_Joss :)
WF_Satyric looks at Arc :)
WF_Serafina uh.. that's not a tyrusin question
WF_Arc The wind tunnels are just that.
WF_Arc :)
WF_Satyric Thanks, Synon.
WF_Arc Massive tunnels that cut through the crust of the planet.
poq lol
WF_Arc There are very powerful vortecies of wind that propell anyone that steps into one.

DarkSoul Azrial- Will xol be played by a developer at worldfusion, if so which one, or might it be an actual player?
WF_Joss grins baring row after row of sharp teeth
WF_Arc The wind tunnels use the same system of physics as the rest of the world.
WF_Serafina So far all of the five Atriarchs are being played by WF team members
WF_Serafina however, they can be taken over
WF_Serafina or killed
WF_Serafina or kidnapped
WF_Arc We are testing the wind tunnels on smaller worlds before we activate them on Atriana.
WF_Iimzodar winces
WF_Serafina or maimed or whatever
WF_Arc Thanks Synon.
WF_Joss gives the room an icy stare
WF_Serafina hehe
WF_Serafina thanks Azrial-

poq DVoxien|KmM if a player chooses to join a caste, do they have to follow the caste till death, or can they take the skills of the caste and align themselves with say the Eshlar, or a minor/major faction?
WF_Satyric lashes his tail.
WF_Serafina no, they do not
WF_Serafina They can choose to leave the Caste if they want, but it will entail some quests.
WF_Satyric It's not something to be taken lightly.
WF_Serafina We do think it is good to have the ability for a player to change their minds
WF_Serafina but there will be some effort involved
WF_Serafina thanks DVoxien|KmM

DarkSoul Phinehas Does the enforcer caste only enforce the Tyrusin, or other species as well?
WF_Joss anyone within the faction
WF_Serafina which means they only enforce the Tyrusin.
WF_Serafina There will be equivalents for the other species
WF_Serafina thanks DVoxien|KmM

poq Sinisthar Another one, The Tyrusians seem to be a miltaristic culture. Do they have accomplished artisans and merchants or are these members outcasts?
WF_Satyric There's an entire caste of artisans, who're very highly regarded.
WF_Joss craftwork is held in high regard
WF_Joss hehe
WF_Serafina artisans are very important
WF_Serafina they are the ones who forge the items that may be used in great battles
WF_Joss 'apply the meaning of forge loosely'
WF_Serafina hehe
WF_Serafina ya
WF_Satyric Create
WF_Serafina grow
WF_Satyric There are weapons that have legends about them, just like Heroes do.
WF_Serafina thanks for one!

DarkSoul Recneps can you ask how a tyrusin will make a spawn?
WF_Satyric Didn't we reveal that one?
WF_Serafina the Tyrusin have an egg that they remove from their bodies and place in a host body
WF_Joss yes
WF_Satyric Not just any ol' corpse will do. They tend to powerful defeated enemies.
WF_Joss the egg draws from the host is the belief
WF_Joss so you don't want to plunk your egg into a dead robin
WF_Serafina but when powerful defeated enemies are out of season in most cases... any ol' corpse will do
WF_Serafina thanks Recneps

poq trewit Is it possible for a member of another species to enter a Tyrusin caste?
WF_Serafina Another species can learn many of the skills taught by the Caste if they are deemed to have a mark of honor
WF_Serafina however, they cannot join the Caste.
WF_Joss doesn't mean they cant see each other socially :)
WF_Joss thanks trewit
WF_Serafina The Caste is part of the Tyrusin Atriarchy of which only Tyrusin belong

DarkSoul Joka-Kata If a Tyrusin shows signs of pacifism, would that be considered a weakness in Tyrusin society, and/or would there be possible side affects or punishments because of that oddity?
WF_Satyric If you weren't raised Tyrusin, you wouldn't really get the system of Honor instinctively.
WF_Serafina hmm... I'm not exactly sure what you mean about pacifism
WF_Satyric Not all Tyrusin are completely focused on combat. But to be actually opposed to it?
WF_Satyric You'd have a very difficult time in their society.
WF_Arc The Lovek Caste are diplomats and try to resolve conflict non-combatively. So no it wouldn't necessarily be dishonorable.
WF_Arc Honor is determined by conduct.
WF_Serafina If you mean backing down from your duties? then yes, that would be a sign of weakness... and may want to go live with the Eshlar ducks
WF_Joss hehehe
WF_Iimzodar laughs
WF_Arc Or acting cowardly, in which case the Unarra may be more to your liking.
WF_Iimzodar laughs harder
WF_Serafina ouch
WF_Satyric A Tyrusin Peace Movement wouldn't get very far. :)
WF_Joss kids, kids...

poq ThunderBumble Can the Tyrusin also grow food?
WF_Serafina yes
WF_Serafina next
WF_Joss yes
WF_Serafina hehe
WF_Satyric Remember,
WF_Iimzodar AS you can see the Atriarchs from the start shall be at each others throats :)
WF_Satyric the species are all self-sufficient.
WF_Serafina the Tyrusin can still learn the skills of the other species
WF_Satyric They existed just fine on their own before meeting each other.
WF_Serafina however, it will be beneficial for them to cooperate for some matters
WF_Satyric Certain things being more easily or comprehensively-done by one species.
WF_Serafina thanks ThunderBumble... and cool name!

DarkSoul DVoxien|KmM Whats to keep every Tyrusin who is "compeled" to duel from killing each other off?? Wouldnt there be lots of dead Tyrusins if one is obviously stronger and has better chances of winning??
WF_Satyric Not all duels are to the death.
WF_Joss in fact most are not
WF_Satyric Not all contests of honor involve physical combat.
WF_Serafina first off... you don't have to kill while dueling
WF_Serafina in combat, you can set your character to fight until knockout or until other character loses an eye or something like that
WF_Joss a duel to the deathif fact that would be frowned upon
WF_Joss ummm... edit that
WF_Joss hehehe
WF_Satyric The quickest ones are just informal staring contests. As most earth species use to establish dominance.
WF_Serafina lol
WF_Joss lol
WF_Serafina stop promising features Satryic.. we won't be supporting staring!
WF_Joss my cat does that with me still
WF_Satyric Heheh.
WF_Satyric I didn't mean you'd click a 'stare' button :)
WF_Serafina Actually, the philosophy of Atriarch is that it takes more skill to take down an opponent and NOT killing them, than to outright kill them

poq Osweld You mention GMs being roleplayers, to help in game features such as the haddron, will there be certain requirements to becoming a GM like in current MMORPGs, such as age, training etc...
WF_Serafina yes, there will definitely be requirements
WF_Satyric It's a serious trust.
WF_Joss and a rigorous screening process
WF_Serafina some of the basic requirements is that you are old enough to sign a contract
WF_Serafina you must be a roleplayer and if you aren't be good enough to make us think you are
WF_Serafina you must be a calm and easy going person.. this is not for the faint of heart
WF_Joss Ned Flanders types
WF_Satyric Or for the easily burned-out.
WF_Serafina exactly
WF_Serafina and there will be ranks
WF_Serafina also, some in-game Actors (we call them actors, not GM's) will
WF_Serafina be able to choose characters that are not available to players
WF_Satyric The castes have their own hierarchies, including the Haddron
WF_Serafina we'll give more requirements as we get closer.. thanks for asking

DarkSoul Soralis Will the Tyrusin hold any games or exhibitions other then straight duels between two people? The ign profile mentions Challenges can range from first blood or throw, ‘to first major piece taken in a tactical game’, to fatal wounding.
WF_Serafina definitely!
WF_Joss yes
WF_Satyric Yep.
WF_Joss it's all about challenge
WF_Satyric And tradition.
WF_Joss they're definitely gamers :)
WF_Joss right
WF_Joss nods to sat
WF_Serafina hi Handle!

poq Osweld Would you say that Tyrusin and Klingon culture are very similiar? (trying to get a better idea of how they are)
WF_Satyric Let's put that one to rest once and for all. :)
WF_Serafina no, the Tyrusin are not humans with funny makeup on them
WF_Joss hehehe
WF_Arc defintely not
WF_Satyric They're both predator-evolved, somewhat hierarchical cultures. But there're a lot of differences.
WF_Satyric Klingons are much more pack-based, like wolves.
WF_Serafina take it away Cutlure God...
WF_Arc The are not emotionally out of control either, so don't bother comparing them to the Kzinti/Kilrathi either.
WF_Satyric Right. Think of them as more like Samurai than homicidal maniacs.
WF_Joss they're very calm cool and collected
WF_Satyric Go see 'Ghost Dog.' :)
WF_Satyric If you want tips for playing a great Tyrusin
WF_Arc Samurai has been the primary influence.
WF_Satyric There're other differences, but I don't know how much people are interested in the minutia of the cultural anthropology -- get Serafina's permission, and I'll be happy to go on about it some other time.
WF_Serafina excellent qeustion! Hope those answers help with the Klingon issue

DarkSoul Jahmbo|afk will there be rogue Tyrusin who kill weaker oponents out of spite and generally make trouble for the chain of command?
WF_Satyric Of course.
WF_Serafina Is that a question or a threat?
WF_Arc There will undoubtedly be players that do that.
WF_Joss life will be hard for Tyrusin who foresake their ancestry :)
WF_Iimzodar Jahmbo|afk tell serafina its not a threat, its a promise :)
WF_Serafina as if I didn't already know
WF_Arc We cannot make people role-play.
WF_Satyric You want to see societal pressure, play an insane Tyrusin. Because a sane one wouldn't do that.
WF_Serafina There are evil paths that can be chosen
WF_Joss The Tyrusin Nation won't want psychopaths out there making a bad name for them :)
WF_Satyric And they just aren't raised that way. :)
WF_Serafina but there is no reason to promote them... they'll be sought out by the Jahmbos of the laned
WF_Serafina land
WF_Arc All cultures and societies have their rebels and criminals, as do online games :)

poq Goza Several people I have talked to about Atriarch fear that WF has bit off more than they can chew. Is there anything you can safely say to dispel this illusion.? Are there any of the many wonderous features that won't be in the first round of the game, for example? Sorry to be the Devil's Advocate.
WF_Serafina ok.. we are going to take some time to answer a few non-tyrusin related questions
WF_Serafina There are several features we have left out of the game to keep us on track... for example, underwater societies
WF_Serafina we are just gonna have to wait for a later release on that one
WF_Serafina the most important features for Atriarch are:
WF_Serafina player construction
WF_Serafina we already have that in the game.. it works great!
WF_Serafina and integration of the different features
WF_Satyric While we're planning to have plant breeding, we won't be including animal breeding right away.
WF_Serafina oh ya.. that's another feature we won't have
WF_Serafina there are some others but can't remember off hand
WF_Serafina you won't be able to change the direction of water
WF_Arc Our time to market constraints will affect less whether we have a feature and more the level of sophistication of each feature.
WF_Serafina it is the "depth" of the feature that will be affected, not the breadth
WF_Serafina as long as the breadth is there, we can add depth as we go in a balanced way
WF_Arc The game and engine will continue to grow past the initial deployment such that the depth of each feature will increase.
WF_Satyric And without kicking you off the server in most cases. :)
WF_Serafina yes, real-time updates
WF_Arc Ever is our plan.
WF_Arc Without kicking you off the server...ever.
WF_Serafina number one rule of Atriarch! Don't interrupt the gameplay
WF_Serafina anyway... uh.. I think we answered that question
WF_Arc And don't crash!
WF_Serafina hehe... ya.. and that
WF_Satyric Heh

DarkSoul Zepath|SB Tyrusins, much to my current amazement are furry. I had been led to believe that they were in fact scaly. Anyway, the question is, will the fur be rendered such that it can blow in the wind or be grown to very long lengths and braided?
WF_Joss Thank you Goza :)
WF_Serafina I think people thought they were scaly because of the original artwork
WF_Satyric While we'd love to render each individual hair in millions of polygons... :)
WF_Serafina They have always been furry.
WF_Joss hehe
WF_Joss surprise!
WF_Satyric Yeah, that one surprised me a few months ago. :)
WF_Satyric Tyrusin aren't reptiles.
WF_Arc We have some new Tyrusin looks coming that definitely look furry.
WF_Serafina We have a new Tyrusin look that moves them a bit away from the "lizard" man
WF_Satyric Throw away your Earth taxonomy.
WF_Iimzodar aye
WF_Serafina the new Tyrusin is a lot scary looking... it is cool. We'll release new shots of him soon.
WF_Serafina good observation... thanks

poq DVoxien|KmM I would like for you to expand upon the "karma system" as that is an issue I would like to put to rest. =)
WF_Arc We are play testing the changes and gathering feedback so as to have really appealing characters.
WF_Serafina ya ya ya
WF_Serafina yes, I am aware of the Anti-Karmadyctal Brigaide
WF_Arc has quit IRC (Quit:
WF_Arc)
WF_Serafina I am absolutely positively amazed at the response to the Karma Bird issue
WF_Serafina Arc went to get his Karma Bird
WF_Serafina anyway...
WF_Serafina the idea works like this...
WF_Serafina you murder
WF_Serafina big bird doesn't like it
WF_Serafina so it comes down and picks you up and plops you down in a nasty area far away
poq lol
WF_Satyric Remember, most everything has some level of telepathy.
WF_Arc has joined #atriarch
WF_Satyric So a 'mental flavor' of a murderer will be more attractive to some predators.
WF_Serafina the entire purpose of using this kind of system is so that murder is really inconvenient
WF_Serafina and it is just one small piece of the pvp pie
WF_Serafina the Karma Birds are not meant to be a policing force
WF_Serafina they are strictly meant to annoy murders
WF_Serafina apparently, it seems to be working
WF_Satyric Heh.
WF_Serafina muhahaha
WF_Iimzodar hah
WF_Serafina the biggest question I think... which is the issue:
WF_Serafina is what defines a murderer
WF_Satyric And they may not be the only thing that finds murderers tasty. Atriana is burgeoning with life, and you never know what you're going to run into.
WF_Serafina There is a very long and good post on our ATriarch Stratics boards that you should read if you are interested
WF_Serafina wars between military are not considered murder
WF_Serafina in Atriarch anyway
WF_Serafina I'm sure this will brew some new and heated discussions about the birds
WF_Serafina thanks for asking

DarkSoul Synon|FoA I have a kind of strange question, if you install Atriarch off a CD will any kind of world map be installed? Since everything is modifiable will there be a world map on the CD at all? This also brings up the question of latency, it seems like some people systems would not be able to handle some situations, the server may not have a problem but will the client be able to handle the load? (i.e. 28k)
WF_Serafina hmm... lots of questions in one... there will be mapping capabilities in Atriarch
WF_Serafina will there be a world map? why? isn't that what spoiler sites are for?
WF_Serafina Actually, the Lokai will be very helpful in that arena since they are the cartographers of the world
WF_Satyric Speaking as a nontechnical person, I'm amazed at how cool the latency/lag stuff I've already seen is. It's seriously nifty.
WF_Serafina we plan to have a radar kind of mapping like AC does, but since the world is constantly changing, there is no way we could give you a world map. It would be out of date by months by the time it got to you
WF_Serafina there will also be a coordinate system to help you locate things

poq Sinisthar Will Tyrusians make the absolute best warriors with thier predisposition to war, or can other races match thier skill? Or do you need to find alternate ways to defeat them
WF_Serafina thanks Synon
WF_Serafina the emphasis on Tyrusin is large scale warfare, not necessarily combat
WF_Serafina There is so many different ways to combat
WF_Serafina hmm... forget I just said that before
WF_Serafina I said it backwards
WF_Serafina the emphasis on teh Tyrusin is on combat, not large scale wars
WF_Serafina sorry
WF_Serafina oops.. anyway... the Tyrusin are better warriors for many reasons
WF_Serafina they size, ability, skills, culture
WF_Serafina they live, breathe and sleep the Warrior's life.
WF_Serafina If another species were to also live, breathe and sleep a warrior's life, then they also could become an excellent warrior
WF_Serafina better?
WF_Serafina eh... depends on the style of combat
WF_Serafina there is a lot of alternatives
WF_Serafina something that we will need to test and balance
WF_Serafina thanks

poq Soralis What major ceremonies and customs do Tyrusin have? Rites of passage for a Tyrusin based on age, or their first kill, or upon entering into a caste, etc?
WF_Satyric I don't know how much of that we're revealing yet, but there'll be a lot. All our cultures are pretty deep.
WF_Serafina hi there General
WF_Satyric They're big on tradition, as we've said. And ritual's a big part of that.
WF_Serafina oh... just to let everyone know.. we are reading the faction websites for culutural information you've put out there
WF_Serafina anything to add satyric?
WF_Serafina if no, thanks Soralis.. more on that in the future

DarkSoul Cobi|KmM How are Tyrusin relations with other races? One would think a race with superior fighting skills would at least go to war every now and then :-)
WF_Satyric Nope.
WF_Satyric was answering Serafina's question, not Cobi's.
WF_Serafina whew
WF_Arc The entire species of Tyrusin do not act together as a single group.
WF_Arc Tyrusin make up many different factions including the major one.
WF_Serafina Cobi.. all the species can go to war any time they want. It is just more economical for trade purposes not to in many instances.

poq Phinehas How big of an influence have the discussion boards been and how has your thinking on various game designs been affected?
WF_Satyric We pay a lot of attention to the online forums.
WF_Joss read em every day
WF_Iimzodar nods
WF_Serafina there is a lot that is inpsired by the boards
WF_Joss i just cited a thread today
WF_Joss :)
WF_Serafina the Caste system was inspired by a suggestion made by Soralis on the boards
WF_Arc There are certainly very good points brought up in the discussion boards and just as often very creative solutions.
WF_Satyric Though we don't always go with a board's consensus.
WF_Serafina he made a comment that didn't have anything to do with it, but it triggered the Caste system nonetheless
WF_Joss heheheh
WF_Satyric chuckles.
WF_Serafina oh.. and for Azrial.... no, socks will not be supported in Atriarch
poq lol
WF_Iimzodar laughs
WF_Satyric Heh.
WF_Joss I can't believe that thread is still alive
WF_Joss heheh
WF_Serafina so, yes, we read the boards
WF_Serafina even when we don't have time to respond
WF_Serafina we use the ideas
WF_Serafina we laugh hysterically at the others
WF_Serafina hnmm

DarkSoul I'd like to thank everyone for comming on such short notice, especially the IRCops and World Fusion employees who came by! We will have an edited log of this HoC on ATS (At.stratics.com) very soon =) Thanks for comming! We are looking forward to a possible Technology HoC sometime in the future, so think about those questions!
WF_Serafina THANKS EVERYONE!
WF_Joss thanks everyone
WF_Satyric Thanks folks, and goodnight.
WF_Joss bows
WF_Arc Bye bye.
WF_Serafina You are all awesome!
WF_Satyric waves.
WF_Joss heheheh
WF_Iimzodar smiles
poq Here we go....
poq sets mode: -m

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